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 <title>shortlisting using the Magic Quadrant </title>
 <link>http://www.itskeptic.org/content/examining-2012-gartner-magic-quadrant-service-desk#comment-9700</link>
 <description>&lt;p&gt;If one&#039;s requirements for  a service desk tool meet the selection criteria for the quadrant then yes it might be a useful first cut &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;but that would be odd.  For example only tools that have both a SaaS and an on-premise version are allowed in this quadrant.  And only tools that have a global presence.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So if you are a global multinational who is planning to install multiple instances across the globe, but also must have a SaaS option while staying with the same vendor, then yes the MQ would be a useful shortlist &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;For the other 99.7% of us, no.&lt;/p&gt;
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 <pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2012 19:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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 <title>Reasonable business practice ?</title>
 <link>http://www.itskeptic.org/content/examining-2012-gartner-magic-quadrant-service-desk#comment-9696</link>
 <description>&lt;p&gt;Using the quadrant as the base for the long list when selecting a software can be a reasonable business practice. Especially if you compare it with the other options. It beats a google search by far and questions on LinkedIn easily. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I&#039;m not a Gartner fan but they put a fair amount of work in it. And placing HP and even BMC where they are requires balls of a decent size.&lt;/p&gt;
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 <pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2012 09:53:52 +0000</pubDate>
 <dc:creator>Philippe</dc:creator>
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 <title>Quadrants are meant to be read?</title>
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 <description>&lt;p&gt;Does anyone who actually looks at these quadrants read the text? Rob, you only have yourself to blame for doing that.&lt;br /&gt;
rgds&lt;br /&gt;
Osama&lt;/p&gt;
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 <pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2012 17:35:22 +0000</pubDate>
 <dc:creator>Osama S.</dc:creator>
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 <title>I just might</title>
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 <description>&lt;p&gt;If I can do it online for a few grand - which I can now - I just might.&lt;/p&gt;
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 <pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2012 10:35:57 +0000</pubDate>
 <dc:creator>skeptic</dc:creator>
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 <title>Take the exam</title>
 <link>http://www.itskeptic.org/content/examining-2012-gartner-magic-quadrant-service-desk#comment-9672</link>
 <description>&lt;p&gt;I wish I could see even some anti-ITIL movement but what I mostly see is blind acceptance of everything. Even you published text which argues that ITIL is a standard.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Remember that ITIL is also a rigid set of exam and product requirements, based on the 5 books. Maybe you should try to get certified as an ITIL Expert. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Aale&lt;/p&gt;
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 <pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2012 08:58:22 +0000</pubDate>
 <dc:creator>aroos</dc:creator>
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 <title>Does this mean that Pink will</title>
 <link>http://www.itskeptic.org/content/examining-2012-gartner-magic-quadrant-service-desk#comment-9669</link>
 <description>&lt;p&gt;Does this mean that Pink will offer a &quot;COBIT 5 - verify&quot; stamp?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;While everyone has their +ve and -ve ITSM tooling stories, I&#039;m batting 0 and 3 across three vendors listed in the MQ (over the past 6 years) in terms of their tooling actually being able to do what was promised.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Yes, for three different employers.&lt;/p&gt;
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 <pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2012 00:48:01 +0000</pubDate>
 <dc:creator>not a great strike rate for me.</dc:creator>
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 <title>the death of ITIL</title>
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 <description>&lt;p&gt;I like to think I&#039;m rational about ITIL.  I know when it has value and I know when it needs criticism.  I&#039;m also able to distinguish between ITIL the body of work and ITIL the movement.  At least I flatter myself that these things are true.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The anti-itil hysteria at present is as irrational as the pro-itil hype was, and is as worthy of skeptical demolition.  Singing the death of ITIL is as much a fad as declaring it a miracle cure was.  Reality is of course complex, grey, and somewhere in the middle, as always.  I.e. common sense&lt;/p&gt;
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 <pubDate>Sat, 08 Sep 2012 16:23:21 +0000</pubDate>
 <dc:creator>skeptic</dc:creator>
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 <title>Yes and no</title>
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 <description>&lt;p&gt;Yes, for awhile ITIL was useful but agree with Rhett that now it is holding things back. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Rob, you should sometimes read your own writings ;) You do an amazing job of ITIL bashing. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Aale&lt;/p&gt;
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 <pubDate>Sat, 08 Sep 2012 11:54:18 +0000</pubDate>
 <dc:creator>aroos</dc:creator>
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 <title>ITIL fan-boy</title>
 <link>http://www.itskeptic.org/content/examining-2012-gartner-magic-quadrant-service-desk#comment-9653</link>
 <description>&lt;p&gt;being a bit of an ITIL fan-boy I can&#039;t agree that it held back innovation.  on the contrary ITIL dragged the tools out of being crude ticket databases and made them understand process, escalation, accountability, reporting, config and a raft of other concepts.  You&#039;d be too young to remember :)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Nor - being ex-CA - can I agree about &quot;mash-ups&quot;.  There&#039;s no shame in acquisition, it&#039;s a natural part of industry consolidation and a cost effective means of innovating.  It&#039;s the subsequent integration that counts.  I&#039;m talking about distinct parallel products competing for attention and resource.&lt;/p&gt;
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 <pubDate>Sat, 08 Sep 2012 09:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
 <dc:creator>skeptic</dc:creator>
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 <title>Bless you Rob</title>
 <link>http://www.itskeptic.org/content/examining-2012-gartner-magic-quadrant-service-desk#comment-9652</link>
 <description>&lt;p&gt;You hit &#039;em all. Namely:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;- Vision isn&#039;t really vision per the MQ axis criteria. I have no idea why they call it such and I swear x and y criteria are purposely intermingled to keep anybody from making any justifiable argument over dot location...which is probably a good idea on Gartner&#039;s part.&lt;br /&gt;
- ITIL has hampered tool innovation and real vision for years, but somehow it magically becomes a strength for a few vendors skilled at following directions. I&#039;m thinking about adding the MQ to the ITIL violations list: http://community.servicenow.com/blog/rglauser/notice-itil-violation&lt;br /&gt;
- The MQ is supposed to evaluate one tool from one vendor, which becomes problematic for vendors with six or more. But Gartner doesn&#039;t hesitate to give props to vendors for a mashup of acquired, rebranded technologies?! Not good for all the reasons you list. Mark my words though, this trend of 31 flavors of ITSM tools from a single vendor is only just now gaining momentum...both within the analyst and vendor ranks. Nobody has yet to clearly define the benefits to the customer of this approach.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;That was therapeutic. Nice work. Thanks, @rglauser&lt;/p&gt;
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 <pubDate>Sat, 08 Sep 2012 07:44:52 +0000</pubDate>
 <dc:creator>Rhett Glauser</dc:creator>
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 <title>Strengths</title>
 <link>http://www.itskeptic.org/content/examining-2012-gartner-magic-quadrant-service-desk#comment-9651</link>
 <description>&lt;p&gt;Before I get accused of pickin&#039; on poor sweet lil BMC, let me say that i used them as the example because&lt;br /&gt;
(a) BMC have been wheeling out that ITIL-in-a-box line shamelessly for years now&lt;br /&gt;
(b) they came first in the report&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;To me, a vendor strength ought to be something that differentiates them, or at least something they excel at relative to the other vendors.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But many of the supposed vendor &quot;strengths&quot;  in this report are straight out of the brochures and are lame lame lame.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Cherwell Service Management&#039;s One-Step actions enable organizations to create and execute microworkflows at any point within the tool.&lt;br /&gt;
...&lt;br /&gt;
HP Service Manager supports robust executive dashboards available as add-ons to the current ITSSM tool.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And many of the strengths aren&#039;t. A feature of the product is not in itself a strength of the vendor, even when it is a strong feature.  The report is full of features and pretty limp ones at that, some of them.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;EasyVista&#039;s modern user interface makes good use of screen real estate and intuitive user interaction, specifically for incident management.&lt;br /&gt;
...&lt;br /&gt;
The IT service view visualization feature in IBM SmartCloud Control Desk is differentiated from other vendors through the use of a swim lane diagram showing the relation of the different service layers.&lt;br /&gt;
...&lt;br /&gt;
IBM SmartCloud Control Desk offers good self-service and service request management capabilities.
&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
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 <pubDate>Sat, 08 Sep 2012 07:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
 <dc:creator>skeptic</dc:creator>
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