The IT Skeptic - Comments for "the rising anger at OGC and APMG over ITIL and Prince2"

This just slipped out

Visitor — Fri, 21 Jan 2011 14:59:07 +0000

Skep

In case you haven't seen it, you might be interested to hear that APMG have had their contracts with OGC re Prince and ITIL extended for two years.

http://www.best-management-practice.com/Knowledge-Centre/News/?DI=629074

One wonders why they didn't get the full 5 years. If OGC weren't happy enough with APMG to give them the full 5 year extension - why give them 2 instead of 1 or none.

tension

skeptic — Fri, 31 Dec 2010 20:15:00 +0000

Right now the creating and developing is done by a group of monopolistic for-profit companies, while the contribution, promotion and marketing is done by a group of passionate volunteers. You don't see the tension here?

right now OGC is aggressively asserting IP rights over ITIL. At the same time the world is slowly developing the maturity to see that ITIL is just a tool, not a magic solution, and so other tools like ISO20000, CMMI-SVC, MOF, or USMBOK are all viable alternatives. THAT's the real risk for ITIL.

The Open Government Licence is a good one. it retains the ownership of the brand, and the acknowledgement of the source. Acccredited training and licenced use of the brand provide pretty impressive revenue streams to fund future work.

Don't agree

avallesalas — Fri, 31 Dec 2010 15:53:56 +0000

Marlon,
I don't agree at all: public domain does not mean "open source" or "community-maintained"... it just mean that you are allowed to use the materials freely.

If we look at the origins, ITIL was a guidance developed by government to be used by government. Under this situation, the owner (UK government) should be the one interested in invest in creating, developing and empowering, allowing the citizen to use that product for other uses (just like it happens with Metrica 3 in Spain, that "can be used freely with the only restriction to cite its IP"

By the other hand if you open it to be owned and maintained by "the community" (just like any open-source project) then it will need a strong and good leading team in order to not allow corruption or "strong vendor influences"

Best regards and happy NY!

PS:: Rob! The upgrade to the new Drupal has solved the logon issues! Great!!

Antonio Valle
G2, Gobierno y Gestión de TI
http://www.gedos.es

Open it and it will die

Marlon Molina — Tue, 28 Dec 2010 11:04:39 +0000

Maybe this is what they are looking for. ITIL is a problem for some private communities (or companies) that are offering similar frameworks. If you open it then who will invest in creating, developing and empowering. Whit an open ITIL the normal option will be ISO 20000, then ITIL will be a matter of time.

IP lawyers

Arjen Droog — Mon, 27 Dec 2010 09:42:25 +0000

Rob, I didn't consult any lawyers yet, but checked with some people with a legal background. There seems to be good legislation if it comes to satire and parodies (and the same goes for journalism; my column has a journalistic approach, nothing commercial -and I hold a degree in Journalism- ). That's why I stated clearly in my letter that I'm not offering any services or make any money with the website and the logo is only meant for parody purposes. Feel free to use it, that would be so cool.

Regards,
Arjen

satire

skeptic — Fri, 24 Dec 2010 22:45:20 +0000

Another thought Arjen: you might like to consult a lawyer about the use of trademarks for the purposes of humour and satire. After you do, you may be inclined to tell the TSO lawyers to go fuck themselves. They could have a merry Christmas while they are at it.

after Xmas

skeptic — Fri, 24 Dec 2010 22:14:26 +0000

oooooh spooky. You've pre-empted what i was hatching. Never mind I shall proceed - after Xmas

How ironic: TSO says I'm using OGC IP

Arjen Droog — Fri, 24 Dec 2010 13:59:00 +0000

This is so funny: I wrote a blog post on my personal site, complaining how OGC, TSO and APMG are dealing with ITIL IP. This was picket up by the IT Skeptic (which made me feel proud, now I've achieved that I don't have to win a Nobel Prize any more!). But it wasn't just the IT Skeptic reading my blog. An Intellectual Property Assistant also read it! Talking about humbling experiences...

He sent me an official letter, blaming me to use OGC copy rights without a license. Again, this is about my post where I say the community should re-own ITIL. I know, I am both naive and idealistic. I posted the letter of TSO and my response on my blog. I hope they like the new logo I created...

OGC cops knocking on my door: http://www.arjendroog.nl/?p=119
Answer to TSO: http://www.arjendroog.nl/?p=124

Sorry for this un-polite self promotion ;-)

The Potter Story

Aad Brinkman — Fri, 24 Dec 2010 10:19:00 +0000

THX Rob, the english version of the Potter story can be found here http://aadbrinkman.wordpress.com/2010/12/10/service-management-a-potter-...

Will keep an eye

avallesalas — Fri, 24 Dec 2010 07:58:01 +0000

Rob,
when you say "i have an idea" it is because something insteresting is being cooked in your mind.
Will keep an eye here

May be Ian wants to talk here also!

Antonio Valle
G2, Gobierno y Gestión de TI
http://www.gedos.es

open USMBOK

skeptic — Fri, 24 Dec 2010 00:02:44 +0000

Dave, there's nothing open about USMBOK. it's a brilliant work but it is fully copyright and trademark protected.

open ITIL

skeptic — Thu, 23 Dec 2010 23:59:00 +0000

re "open BOK around Service Management"

Several have tried, amigo. there was a serious effort in northern Europe.

I have a different idea. Watch this space - I'm just checking the legal angles (not easy to do this time of year).

USMBOK

Dave Landry — Thu, 23 Dec 2010 23:50:10 +0000

Ian Clayton has already done this - while not open *yet*, it is a great start.

May it's time for an Open BOK

avallesalas — Thu, 23 Dec 2010 22:28:14 +0000

We are enough to create an open BOK around Service Management
We just need to get organizaed and a good leading team

Antonio Valle
G2, Gobierno y Gestión de TI
http://www.gedos.es